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hello everyone this is martin willis

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from podcast ufo and our guest last

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night did not show up actually and this

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two times in a 10 year span

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it's a live show and so i had to cancel

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it when she did not show up i heard from

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her later saying that she was in her

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kitchen where her clock was

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so be it as it may i decided to post

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this podcast i did with the basement

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hangout

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this is with chad and bob

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they're a lot of fun it's on the lighter

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side but i hope you enjoy it they

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suggested that

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i play this since the guests didn't show

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up and i thought it was a great idea our

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guests next week there are three of them

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there's matthew sedagush kevin knuth and

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gary voorhees so that's live next week

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at the usual time 7 p.m

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eastern on tuesday thank you and enjoy

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this show

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hi everyone this is martin willis from

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podcast ufo hanging out with the

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basement hangout with these two

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knuckleheads is always a lot of fun

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what's up all you ufologists welcome to

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the basement hangout coming to you from

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somewhere in american suburbia my name

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is chad and with me as always is bob and

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so that is nice glad to be back in the

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basement the basement missed you the

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shuffleboard has had no action for two

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with us tonight is martin willis from

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podcast ufo our old friend martin thank

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you for joining us how are you this

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evening

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i'm doing great hey by the way your

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basement looks better than most

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apartments

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that's very nice well we did just finish

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it a few months ago what is that now

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like maybe four or five months ago yeah

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and we got a shuffle board

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so before we uh

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before we record we play a couple games

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of shuffleboard bob usually beats me

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unfortunately

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um so yeah we're we're upgraded as you

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can see we have a nice wood paneled wall

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here behind the big screen tv yeah

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so well uh i love shuffleboard i'm not

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gonna say i'm great at it but uh

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you know it's it's really fun i've

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played ever since i was a little kid oh

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cool well next time you're in this area

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we'll have you over

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yeah we'll we'll we'll do it for money

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absolutely chad doesn't like that he

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likes that

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so martin

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the main reason we wanted to have you on

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is because you know we wanted to find

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out what is going on in the world of ufo

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you have people on your show week in

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week out

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uh reputable people people that are very

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much into the topic and not even so much

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on the fringe

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and so i don't know let's let's pick

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your brain what's going on what's new

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well you know as we continue on uh since

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the last time that we spoke you know

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some things have happened that have been

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pretty interesting

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there was a congressional hearing on

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they call it uap it's kind of funny

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say to someone the word i mean the

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acronym you uap

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they use that word is because they feel

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that the acronym ufo has a stigma of

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little green men and mars and all that

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you know it's uh unidentified flying

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object that's all it really means

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so uh in uap is uh oh god

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believe yes that's what it is

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and so anyway um so the hearing was may

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17th and there was some interesting

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crappy videos which mean nothing and i

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it's kind of to muddy the waters or

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something i don't understand they they

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what they showed smoking and one of them

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mylar balloon so they were

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they were playing it down in in my

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opinion um they were asked about this um

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was there and he asked some really good

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maelstrom air force base

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ufos you know stopping them you know

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things like that disrupting them and all

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that and uh they had no clue on that now

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that time in the last couple of months i

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an air force base in security

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another nuclear warhead site he was on

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top level uh security for that he got

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called out in the middle of the night

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uh he pulled in and well he was he was

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and he couldn't get his attention at all

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the reason he was out there in the first

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not knowing where he is

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he gets up from the ground it's all wet

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he gets up from the ground he's not hurt

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several hours have gone by um and he

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going they're looking for him and his

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partner is still sitting there like a

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uh so they get they get uh this happened

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in 1979 so this is but it's just a great

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uh the signal and found him um so anyway

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he was at the base of a reservoir a dam

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that he had never been to before

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the side of the dam the the vehicle of

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the four-wheel drive vehicle could just

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barely get down there

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um and he had just they were in a pickup

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truck they did get out of there but it

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there never remembers drive you know

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riding there or anything ever he just

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has a lot of missing time that's a

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it's an incredible story and while he's

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telling me this he's only told it a few

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times he was on uh unidentified on the

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history channel they he did a real clip

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that but while he was he and i were

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talking he was getting really really

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it was uh a great story so

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i digress i've really gone way off

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congressional hearing and that they

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never knew about any of these situations

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and he said that um there were several

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the nukes were in launch mode

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and no one put them in launch mode

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and they drove a truck on top of the

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blast doors

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this is a three-ton blast door that's

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uh blast off so they drove the truck on

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neutral and then got about about a mile

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inside and stop the warhead good god

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and uh involving ufos and nobody

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uh at this congress hearing had ever

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so but those stories are fascinating

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when he was depre debriefed by

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leadership

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what do they do with that information he

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said that he he said everything to them

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he didn't hold out for one minute he

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told them the exact thing right down to

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the beings he wasn't

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afraid to tell them

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uh because he said it happened so why

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should i be afraid to tell them and have

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you ever heard of the name richard dodie

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don't know what

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i have richard dodie shows up now

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richard doty is a disinformation he

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worked for the air force

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uh but he did a lot of disinformation

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there's a gentleman there was a

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gentleman named paul benowitz

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that he basically drove crazy

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um who was seeing um ufos

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in new mexico and so he's

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it and richard dodie now is getting air

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time which i i don't like at all because

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he's not a nice man he's hurt a lot of

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people

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telling the truth now out there

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anyway um i don't care let him sue me

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[Laughter]

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getting back to the hearing uh gallagher

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the wilson document which is another

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rabbit hole and i do not believe there's

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uh any credibility to that document at

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all there's just it's too

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it doesn't make any sense that's that

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that um this admiral wilson

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las vegas

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talking to some scientists telling them

282
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all about um you know aliens and ufos

283
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and all that and

284
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he says he was never there

285
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and the notes supposedly taken from eric

286
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davis who is the scientist that's

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mentioned

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are all chaotic they don't make any

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sense at all and eric davis i think is

290
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liking the attention because he won't

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say

292
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whether he was there or that was his

293
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notes or not he just won't say it to

294
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anyone so it's another one of these

295
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little conspiracy theories and

296
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unfortunately uh representative

297
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gallagher mentioned that as well

298
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during the hearing so

299
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it was kind of discouraging to hear that

300
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because

301
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i just think it uh you know when you

302
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throw in the things that are uh

303
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iffy fringy

304
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um it's gonna

305
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make you know they're gonna say oh yeah

306
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i told you so this is the bunch of ball

307
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just like we all thought it was you know

308
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so there's a plenty of things out there

309
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that are very very credible where they

310
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didn't have to throw this one at them as

311
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well in my opinion so the thing that

312
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fascinates me about congressional

313
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hearings is that based on their lack of

314
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knowledge

315
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and their attempted to discover

316
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there's one of two things right

317
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either they

318
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don't have the information because there

319
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is a group of people inside of the dod

320
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or other federal agencies that have the

321
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information and are not sharing it with

322
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congress

323
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which is supposed to have oversight

324
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right

325
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or

326
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this is a dog and pony show

327
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so yeah

328
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neither of those make me feel very good

329
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i i think the latter makes more sense

330
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myself

331
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um because you know there there's

332
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uh i i just watched something of gary

333
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nolan who's been on my show um

334
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dr gary nolan from stanford

335
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who has an interest in this and he was

336
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basically saying that

337
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um

338
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when they come out of the hearings the

339
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private hearings that they come out

340
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wide-eyed like there's something really

341
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going on pardon me i can't

342
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that's i can't silence my phone no

343
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worries so wide-eyed like they heard

344
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something crazy

345
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yes

346
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yeah

347
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so uh

348
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i think they do know a lot

349
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more and but i alway i think this is

350
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uh a case of a little bit of window

351
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addressing myself

352
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and

353
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you know it's for instance here's a good

354
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here's another thing since that meeting

355
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recently nasa

356
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um is looking uh behind the science of

357
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ufos now i saw it and guess what yeah

358
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guess what their budget is

359
00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:00,160
what

360
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100 thousand dollars jesus

361
00:14:08,389 --> 00:14:06,480
so you couldn't pay the director

362
00:14:10,949 --> 00:14:08,399
that's like uh a hundred thousand

363
00:14:12,069 --> 00:14:10,959
dollars and you're going to sell it okay

364
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so

365
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wow uh they think that they'll find it

366
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they think that it's uh something to do

367
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with science that just hasn't been

368
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discovered yet

369
00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:20,800
uh which you know possibly some of these

370
00:14:26,150 --> 00:14:23,040
ufos could be i agree

371
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um but but not all of them and so i i

372
00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:27,839
think it's uh

373
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well

374
00:14:33,269 --> 00:14:30,880
i'm glad they're looking at it but it

375
00:14:35,189 --> 00:14:33,279
does feel more like

376
00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:35,199
the dog and pony show

377
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and

378
00:14:40,389 --> 00:14:38,160
um you know it's been done before many

379
00:14:42,870 --> 00:14:40,399
times so you know the

380
00:14:45,509 --> 00:14:42,880
the condon report the close of project

381
00:14:47,430 --> 00:14:45,519
blue book nothing to hear you know

382
00:14:49,990 --> 00:14:47,440
nothing to see here

383
00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:50,000
that type of thing yeah uh when secretly

384
00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:52,720
there were they continued on

385
00:14:57,990 --> 00:14:56,079
and uh project blue book was also just

386
00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:58,000
like the cover of everything that's not

387
00:15:03,430 --> 00:15:00,480
where all the really good cases went

388
00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:03,440
so um so i think there is

389
00:15:07,750 --> 00:15:05,440
indeed part of the government that is

390
00:15:09,590 --> 00:15:07,760
has always taken this seriously

391
00:15:11,189 --> 00:15:09,600
but i don't know how much more

392
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:11,199
information they have

393
00:15:14,230 --> 00:15:12,399
than anyone else

394
00:15:16,389 --> 00:15:14,240
i really don't know they

395
00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:16,399
definitely have more videos

396
00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:19,600
yes they definitely have more data

397
00:15:25,030 --> 00:15:21,839
so let me ask you this because one of

398
00:15:27,269 --> 00:15:25,040
the biggest figures in the ufo world

399
00:15:29,110 --> 00:15:27,279
over the last however long has been lou

400
00:15:30,790 --> 00:15:29,120
elizondo

401
00:15:31,590 --> 00:15:30,800
um

402
00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:31,600
you know

403
00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:34,000
where is he in all of this now i've

404
00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:36,079
heard some recent rumblings about he's

405
00:15:40,949 --> 00:15:38,079
starting to move towards this is a

406
00:15:46,629 --> 00:15:40,959
consciousness

407
00:15:48,150 --> 00:15:46,639
projecting or i don't i don't honestly

408
00:15:49,829 --> 00:15:48,160
i'm not smart enough to even understand

409
00:15:52,389 --> 00:15:49,839
what that means

410
00:15:54,550 --> 00:15:52,399
i've had several guests try to explain

411
00:15:56,389 --> 00:15:54,560
that to me and i'm still confused yeah

412
00:15:58,790 --> 00:15:56,399
so don't feel bad and it's nothing to do

413
00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:58,800
with smart enough it's just it doesn't

414
00:16:02,389 --> 00:16:00,480
it's one of these things that are so

415
00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:02,399
it's so hard to comprehend i don't

416
00:16:07,269 --> 00:16:05,120
really understand i couldn't go about

417
00:16:10,069 --> 00:16:07,279
trying to explain what people have tried

418
00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:10,079
to explain to me

419
00:16:15,189 --> 00:16:12,320
a lot of a lot of it is

420
00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:15,199
supposedly a manifestation

421
00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:16,480
um

422
00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:18,160
you know but that doesn't make any sense

423
00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:19,920
in so many cases when there's multiple

424
00:16:24,069 --> 00:16:21,440
witnesses and

425
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:24,079
but the people that talk about this seem

426
00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:25,920
to have an answer for it all i don't

427
00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:28,240
know what the answer is for that look at

428
00:16:31,910 --> 00:16:29,920
the phoenix lights when there's probably

429
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:31,920
over a thousand people

430
00:16:34,829 --> 00:16:33,920
um that witnessed

431
00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:34,839
that

432
00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:36,160
yeah know

433
00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:37,680
the craft that could have been miles

434
00:16:42,310 --> 00:16:38,560
wide

435
00:16:43,749 --> 00:16:42,320
and uh back in 19 march of 13 1997 was

436
00:16:46,389 --> 00:16:43,759
when that happened

437
00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:46,399
and uh so i mean you can't explain

438
00:16:49,990 --> 00:16:48,240
something like that with consciousness i

439
00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:50,000
don't think

440
00:16:54,069 --> 00:16:52,000
yeah that's i don't even know what it

441
00:16:55,749 --> 00:16:54,079
means consciousness so he's saying like

442
00:16:56,710 --> 00:16:55,759
he's trying to say that people

443
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:56,720
are

444
00:16:59,430 --> 00:16:57,759
thinking about it and then it's

445
00:17:02,230 --> 00:16:59,440
occurring to them

446
00:17:03,910 --> 00:17:02,240
type thing or not yeah type of thing

447
00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:03,920
maybe not even consciously thinking

448
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:06,400
about it but it somehow manifests

449
00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:08,880
in in a way and but it's not really

450
00:17:13,270 --> 00:17:11,120
there yeah

451
00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:13,280
when they say it's not really there or

452
00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:15,039
whatever you know that doesn't make any

453
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:16,480
sense either because there's plenty of

454
00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:17,679
data

455
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:19,760
that shows that there is something there

456
00:17:25,029 --> 00:17:21,839
but on the other hand elizondo's on the

457
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:25,039
side of that the the phenomenon is real

458
00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:26,720
he's not saying that this is fake and

459
00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:29,280
it's just humans projecting he's saying

460
00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:30,640
something about

461
00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:32,400
that the universe

462
00:17:36,150 --> 00:17:34,720
is more than we can comprehend

463
00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:36,160
and these

464
00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:38,880
ufos or uaps

465
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:41,200
are i don't know if it means dimensional

466
00:17:44,549 --> 00:17:43,200
like i said i don't understand it's an

467
00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:44,559
unknown but it's theirs what are you

468
00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:46,320
saying yeah but somehow our

469
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:49,200
consciousness is involved and maybe it

470
00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:50,880
goes back to what we hear from preston

471
00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:51,679
and

472
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,559
you know

473
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:54,480
where it's

474
00:17:58,710 --> 00:17:56,320
i you know what i don't even know how to

475
00:18:01,909 --> 00:17:58,720
verbalize it it's just beyond me so is

476
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:01,919
he saying like like uh

477
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:03,360
people take shrooms or something like

478
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:05,200
that or no

479
00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:08,799
and he did at one point um say that

480
00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:10,480
um

481
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:14,960
fully understand

482
00:18:19,350 --> 00:18:17,120
it's not just nuts and bolts basically

483
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:19,360
it seems that way but right it's not

484
00:18:23,909 --> 00:18:20,960
just craft

485
00:18:25,430 --> 00:18:23,919
i like that phrase you just said that we

486
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:25,440
we don't think we'll you know humans

487
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:27,600
could understand it i think that is

488
00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:28,799
probably

489
00:18:35,029 --> 00:18:32,240
very true and um i think that

490
00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:35,039
i also and it's it's hard to

491
00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:37,919
comprehend this what i've heard

492
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:38,799
and

493
00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:39,760
think of

494
00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:41,200
is that if we

495
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:43,440
had it explained to us what this ufo

496
00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:46,080
phenomenon is we may not even be able to

497
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:47,280
understand

498
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:48,400
you know i mean there are those

499
00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:50,320
possibilities or

500
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:52,240
you know they could be several different

501
00:18:57,029 --> 00:18:55,120
types of things now recently i had

502
00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:57,039
just the other day i had dr michael

503
00:19:01,830 --> 00:18:58,240
masters on

504
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:01,840
and his theory of what ufos are is

505
00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:04,720
us in the future as time travelers oh i

506
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,240
like that that's one of my favorite

507
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:08,160
theories to be honest yeah

508
00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:08,960
yeah

509
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:11,360
and you know but

510
00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:12,720
i think it is

511
00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:15,200
if they and that could be part of it

512
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:17,360
that could be one part of the puzzle i

513
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:18,559
still think

514
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:20,880
that there's a a good argument for the

515
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:22,559
extraterrestrial

516
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:26,320
um hypothesis of of these or at least

517
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:29,280
some of these um you know the argument

518
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:30,880
for that is you know the the great

519
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:32,160
distances

520
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:33,120
that

521
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:35,919
would have to be traveled and you know

522
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,880
to give

523
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:38,640
a perspective it's really hard to

524
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:40,880
understand how far four and a half light

525
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:43,760
years away the near star is

526
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:46,240
i'll put it like this this was told to

527
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:48,400
me by an astronomer

528
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:49,760
if the

529
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:53,360
uh if you were sitting in washington dc

530
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:55,440
and the sun was the size of a a

531
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:57,039
grapefruit

532
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:00,640
um the uh earth would be

533
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:04,320
the size of a ball on a ball of a i'm

534
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:06,320
sorry of a uh

535
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:08,799
a ballpoint pen you know the little tiny

536
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,679
minuscule ball and a ballpoint pen

537
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:13,919
and the nearest star would be in san

538
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:16,000
francisco yeah

539
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:17,679
wow so that's to give you some

540
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:20,080
perspective if you take the earth shrink

541
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:23,039
it down to the size of the ballpoint pen

542
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:24,240
um

543
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:27,200
the distance is vast but i think that

544
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:30,880
there is some type of way that

545
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:32,880
we just haven't figured out the physics

546
00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:35,039
yet but there may be some type of way

547
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:37,360
since space-time is

548
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:40,240
joined together that they know how to

549
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:42,159
travel this

550
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:45,760
uh distance in you know in ways we can't

551
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:48,480
comprehend so i think part of the you

552
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:50,000
know them could be

553
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:52,799
uh extraterrestrial the time travel

554
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:55,600
however a really great conversation i

555
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,559
had the other day with michael masters

556
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:00,720
and uh

557
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,400
he is an anthropologist so he thinks the

558
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:06,880
way we're evolving could possibly

559
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:07,679
uh

560
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:08,960
go toward

561
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:09,679
the

562
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:11,120
grays that a lot of people are saying

563
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:12,240
they're seeing

564
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,080
uh the gray aliens they have the big

565
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:16,720
black guys their skin is kind of gray uh

566
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:20,159
no noticeable nose uh or ears a slit for

567
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,120
a mouth

568
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:23,520
um they're always thin so i don't know

569
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:26,799
they got their they got fast food

570
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:28,640
um but uh

571
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:31,760
so i i said the other day uh last

572
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:33,280
tuesday when i had him on i said well

573
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:34,320
what

574
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,159
and could a new you know like in the

575
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,240
millions of years because the humans as

576
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,320
we know them have only been around for

577
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,559
two to three hundred thousand years

578
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:48,159
um so

579
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:48,880
and

580
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:53,120
have had some manipulation myself

581
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,320
possibly

582
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:57,200
from extraterrestrials possible um but

583
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:58,400
so anyway

584
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:59,360
uh

585
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,280
say we wipe ourselves out and there's a

586
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:03,520
lot of people thinking that we probably

587
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:05,919
may in the next hundred years um yeah

588
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,159
you know very possible

589
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:10,159
so this is this is one of my favorite

590
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:12,960
theories because if you think about

591
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:14,000
um

592
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,840
i don't know 100 years ago 200 years ago

593
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:17,760
whatever it is when people were mostly

594
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:19,039
outside

595
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:21,200
hunting for food gathering living in

596
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,640
huts whatever

597
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,720
like animals you know more intelligent

598
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,640
obviously but we've moved indoors we're

599
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:28,080
air conditioned

600
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:30,159
you know we have heat we're sitting in

601
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:31,760
front of computers that are doing our

602
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,559
thinking for us to a large part we don't

603
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,960
need our muscles like we used to right

604
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:39,039
yeah we um

605
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:41,120
are i mean they talk about birth rates

606
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,120
going down they talk about fertility

607
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:44,799
going down

608
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,000
um so you could see us not needing say

609
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,840
the the pigment in the skin because

610
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,520
we're not gonna be under sun

611
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,520
so i thought you're gonna say the penis

612
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:54,960
yeah you're going to say no sex organs i

613
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,520
always need the penis

614
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:59,520
no and some people theorize that maybe

615
00:23:01,430 --> 00:23:00,559
we were

616
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,440
very

617
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,200
you know advanced then we were wiped out

618
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,600
and now that's like starting again

619
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:07,679
300 000 years ago kind of what i'm

620
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:10,000
thinking could that could happen as well

621
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:11,840
but and but right now the way we're

622
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,520
going you know we we

623
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,760
to for us to survive we really need like

624
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,120
two earth

625
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:19,679
earths full of resources to survive as

626
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:21,760
is if everyone live like americans we

627
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,400
need five earths you know so and we're

628
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:26,880
going up to near the eight billion mark

629
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:28,960
but um i did mention that to him and he

630
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,640
said yeah but he believes that that may

631
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,559
be like the tipping point and we'll

632
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:34,559
start going the other way because sperm

633
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:37,760
counts down uh there's going to be um

634
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,559
there is this thing called pornography

635
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,960
which uh a lot of people get involved in

636
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:44,159
and they're i don't know what that is

637
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:45,600
bob do you know what that is i've never

638
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:47,120
heard of it i've never watched such

639
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:48,240
things

640
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:50,000
but they but they think that actually

641
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,679
that made it that may slow the birth

642
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,000
rate down as well you know i mean it's

643
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,880
uh it's easier i guess um

644
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,840
anyway

645
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,279
uh

646
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,440
it's all fascinating so

647
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:03,840
he he thinks that it's it's and then i

648
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:06,159
said well okay so you have the grace

649
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,279
then what about um say at the aerial um

650
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,120
incident aerial school incident back in

651
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,720
1994

652
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:14,880
they saw these beings that also had the

653
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:17,520
same type of eyes however their skin was

654
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:19,039
like porcelain one of them had long

655
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,320
black hair

656
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:23,039
um these beings were within four feet of

657
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,720
one person i talked to i mean they saw

658
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:27,039
them very clearly very closely

659
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:28,000
and

660
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,799
uh

661
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,720
so i said what about them is it possible

662
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,400
that they could be

663
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:34,799
millions of years beyond the grace

664
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,200
or less or you know and he has uh yes um

665
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:41,840
yes to all that it is possible that

666
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,400
these the different types of beings are

667
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,000
uh different involve

668
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:49,039
of all evolutions of uh you know beings

669
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:50,480
throughout time

670
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:53,679
um because just like uh we invented the

671
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:55,120
wheel we're not gonna stop using the

672
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,480
wheel just like

673
00:25:02,710 --> 00:24:58,480
uh if they invent time travel they

674
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,720
probably keep using time travel so

675
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:05,520
uh anyway it's all fascinating and so i

676
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:09,039
said so these ufos we're seeing

677
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,400
um

678
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,799
are they the travel time travel machines

679
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,960
he said yes he said but i don't think

680
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,880
the triangular ones are and i never i

681
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,200
never followed them

682
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:21,120
i'd like to know why he said that i i

683
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,480
forgot to ask him

684
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,159
exactly why he didn't think triangles

685
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,400
were because that's the us air force

686
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,400
yeah probably so

687
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,559
that that could be except

688
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,559
they've been seeing you know i have a

689
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:33,919
friend that

690
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,480
found out that i did a show on ufos and

691
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:38,720
she called me she goes oh my god she

692
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:42,400
goes i saw a ufo back in 1978.

693
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,559
and she described it to me and it was a

694
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,720
perfect triangle back then

695
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,640
so i think if the military was

696
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:50,960
developing and she said it made no sound

697
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,880
it was right over her car and then it

698
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:54,799
shot off like a bullet

699
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,400
yeah uh 1978 this happened flies off no

700
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,320
sound i think we'd be using it at warp

701
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,000
time if we had something like that yes

702
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,960
back in 78 yeah unless the only time

703
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:06,240
you're going to use it is when it's

704
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,440
truly existential and we haven't been in

705
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,840
any existential war since world war ii

706
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:13,440
right that you know of

707
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,200
true you know

708
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,760
all right so all right i i thought about

709
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,279
that too but

710
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,880
do you really think that that could be

711
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,880
kept quiet for all these years i mean

712
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:24,960
some people say yeah this is the reason

713
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:26,559
why i don't believe in conspiracy

714
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:28,400
theories in general i don't believe that

715
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:31,679
911 was an inside job and i have dealt

716
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:34,400
with government you know in my my real

717
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:35,440
life

718
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,400
and i know that it's a lumbering you

719
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:40,720
know inertia ridden

720
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,840
organization and there's loose lips and

721
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:45,679
all that i don't believe that you could

722
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,039
hold something like 911 is an inside job

723
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:51,520
the moon landing was faked we have ufo

724
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:53,440
technologies i i do believe it would

725
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:54,559
leak

726
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:55,440
you know

727
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,960
humans being human

728
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,200
i do too eventually you know on deathbed

729
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,120
or whatever you know i mean

730
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:03,440
um ben hansen a friend of mine i don't

731
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:04,559
know if you ever heard of him he's been

732
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:06,000
on a few

733
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,360
fact or fake

734
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:09,440
uh a few different tv shows he does a

735
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,400
lot with ufos in fact his grandfather

736
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,960
his grandfather was in some every time

737
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,480
something would happen

738
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:18,399
he would go away and you know be dark

739
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,520
for

740
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,120
however long it took

741
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,360
so on his deathbed

742
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:25,520
he's holding his thought not ben's hand

743
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,279
but his father's hand

744
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,360
and he says i just have one thing to say

745
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:31,440
we're not alone yeah that's one of the

746
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,559
last things he said on his deathbed wow

747
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,720
and so uh

748
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:38,720
i i do believe

749
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:39,840
that

750
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,480
um things leak they they leak out on

751
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:44,559
death beds a lot of times good people

752
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,000
have nothing to lose they already got

753
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,080
their pension yeah they're not worried

754
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,399
about anything else and so one of the

755
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,159
conspiracy theories if i have this

756
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,000
correct on the president is it that

757
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,559
truman signed a deal with the aliens to

758
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,840
allow them

759
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,320
to abduct a certain number of people so

760
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,880
that they wouldn't just destroy us

761
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,480
so that's why

762
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,480
was it eisenhower eisenhower maybe it

763
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,919
was eisenhower i can't remember if it's

764
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,600
eisenhower truman

765
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,360
i think it was eisenhower and i think

766
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,520
it's i think it's another conspiracy

767
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,120
theory myself

768
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,840
i really don't think so but yeah

769
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,520
sounds like i haven't seen anything that

770
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:21,120
really

771
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,399
leads to make me believe that's that's

772
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:25,919
so

773
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,760
us from the future traveling back is

774
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:36,000
that like a school history lesson or are

775
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:37,600
they coming back to check

776
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:39,679
like an experiment or

777
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,919
what did he say on that

778
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,679
yeah i mean there's a lot of you know

779
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,679
encounters and abductions and things it

780
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,000
makes you wonder what's going on with

781
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:51,120
that and are they taking dna um

782
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,240
but you know

783
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:54,000
you're talking about maybe history i

784
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,520
would think that

785
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:57,360
um you know abraham lincoln would have

786
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,960
seen a ufo

787
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,120
uh when he was giving the gettysburg

788
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,880
address or you know i mean if they're

789
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:04,480
doing that type of thing i would think

790
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:05,919
some real historic things that have

791
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,880
happened

792
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,120
uh you would think that uh they would be

793
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:12,000
there there are in wartime though as a

794
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,080
matter of fact back in the 1990s before

795
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,320
i was even giving this topic any thought

796
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:18,480
at all my insurance agent

797
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:21,520
told me um that he was

798
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:24,159
in a special air force unit that was

799
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:25,039
um

800
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:26,799
that was what did he say researching

801
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,720
ufos during uh the vietnam war

802
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,720
he was in this special unit

803
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,480
and i've been trying to find the guy

804
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:36,880
i've even did some work last week trying

805
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,200
to find him uh he may have been he may

806
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:41,039
be passed away by now but

807
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:43,679
um but anyway uh

808
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,440
there is a lot going on in war times

809
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:50,000
in the in regards to ufos he said every

810
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:51,520
time they were napalming they would see

811
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:54,799
ufos which is really bizarre um so is

812
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,760
that history um i i don't know and then

813
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,000
there's the foo fighters back during

814
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:02,480
world war ii that were seen everywhere

815
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:04,960
they didn't look like discs or anything

816
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,080
that you would think

817
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,080
yeah balls of light

818
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,080
and um there were

819
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:14,000
i just listened to a report

820
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,120
from a pilot um this is a an old

821
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,120
interview from the 40s

822
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:21,600
and he's saying that it was on his

823
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,159
starboard wing and then instantly it was

824
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,080
on his port side wing

825
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,480
you know in a flash and you know they

826
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,159
opened up fire on the thing and it

827
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:32,880
absorbed the 250 rounds of tracer

828
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:35,440
bullets and did nothing oh wow

829
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,279
so uh quite a story yeah um so you know

830
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:41,440
maybe they are going back to wartime the

831
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,960
foo fighter thing doesn't really make

832
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:45,200
any sense because they're not disc

833
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,320
shaped like

834
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:48,799
uh so the supposed time travel machines

835
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:49,679
are

836
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,399
so uh yeah it's it's all interesting and

837
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:56,399
it just seems like if they are if they

838
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,760
had the capability to go back in time

839
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,519
then why didn't we hear about them

840
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,960
throughout history

841
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:04,399
yeah there'd be more and more viewers

842
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,159
right

843
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:07,919
you would think unless they just are

844
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:10,240
only interested in the time we are in

845
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,919
now you know since 1940s

846
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,279
and um

847
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:17,039
he mentioned something about you know

848
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:18,799
that's when we're firing off our first

849
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:21,440
nuclear weapons and maybe they're i mean

850
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:24,240
they're coming back to kind of slow that

851
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:26,000
down or something i don't know well i

852
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:27,840
don't know i mean um are you familiar

853
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:30,159
with the whole kilian aspect of all of

854
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,279
this

855
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,840
the what now john keel

856
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,760
oh john keel um

857
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,080
i yeah a little bit

858
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:40,880
um very interesting character

859
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:44,000
um yes but so his his whole thing was

860
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:47,840
that you know in the 19 early 1900s

861
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,000
1910 1920

862
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:53,120
1930 even they were seeing airships

863
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,120
right that looked like they looked like

864
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,919
floating ships in the sky and they would

865
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:59,519
land and the people would come talk to

866
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,559
them

867
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:03,360
uh and then in the 1800s they'd see

868
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,720
something else and it was like the

869
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:06,880
phenomenon always took

870
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:08,399
whatever form

871
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:12,159
you know we would in our current culture

872
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,760
be able to accept

873
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:15,440
and so they didn't they weren't flying

874
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:18,720
discs in the 1800s right uh now they've

875
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:21,840
moved from flying discs to triangles or

876
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,399
tic tacs or whatever whereas in the

877
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:26,880
1930s 40s and 50s it was always flying

878
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:30,240
discs so you know what's up with that

879
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,320
and what i saw was a disc you know my

880
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,080
one encounter it was nothing really

881
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:37,039
special but it was definitely a disc

882
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:38,559
um now

883
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,440
uh i recently came someone sent me a

884
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:42,960
great

885
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:44,799
uh english document

886
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:50,870
i believe

887
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:53,440
and uh it's the whole thing is going in

888
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,640
they're out

889
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,039
to see and they're going in this whole

890
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,360
detail of seeing this

891
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,880
um this

892
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,360
ufo basically didn't say they never

893
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,840
never described the object shape but it

894
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:08,159
did say there were beings on top of it

895
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,519
and flashing lights uh so it's a great

896
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:13,600
18th century document yeah

897
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,279
and then we have artwork even um

898
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:19,200
you know artwork that shows

899
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,960
um

900
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,039
it's biblical in nature but then in the

901
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:25,919
background is uh looks like a ship with

902
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:28,480
a being inside of it floating across

903
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,799
there's things like that too right

904
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:32,960
renaissance era

905
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:35,840
yes there are some paintings like that

906
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:37,600
there are some scholars that have tried

907
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,200
to explain that away but they certainly

908
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:43,679
do not that supposedly that's god up in

909
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:45,919
the sky and all that but i'm telling you

910
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,039
it really uh

911
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:49,679
it really does look like uh in several

912
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,919
of these paintings that it looks does

913
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,000
look like a ufo more than

914
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,159
um than you would consider what god

915
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,399
would look like yeah now

916
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:00,960
just to add to the confusion here

917
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,679
what about the topic of usos

918
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,360
or what do they call it it's not

919
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:07,600
multimedia what's the word they use for

920
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:08,399
it

921
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,879
go

922
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:15,040
and there's a there's a new group i

923
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,639
think operating out of the pentagon that

924
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,320
just changed their name

925
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,560
and they incorporated trans medium into

926
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:22,960
it they call themselves the all domain

927
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,720
anomaly resolution office yes

928
00:34:29,710 --> 00:34:29,040
i love that that is nice yeah

929
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:29,720
or

930
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,679
aaron and i'm really glad that they are

931
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:35,359
looking into that because people have

932
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,240
talked

933
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,320
for years um

934
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,240
even a friend of mine was on board a

935
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,639
submarine and what they call the the

936
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,159
fast movers

937
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:47,359
and all of a sudden it comes up on ra on

938
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,480
sonar

939
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,560
where this thing's doing over 200 knots

940
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,560
when this guy was on board and this is

941
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:54,560
happening a lot try to picture something

942
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:55,520
going

943
00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:59,440
200 knots which is probably about 225

944
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:02,320
30 miles an hour yeah in the water with

945
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,000
water pressure around it going that

946
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,720
speed this is going way way back

947
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,040
so a lot of these have been seen

948
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,040
um and you know we know

949
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:13,040
more about the moon surface than we do

950
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,800
about the ocean floor

951
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:17,040
um you know he goes he goes down to 11

952
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,760
000 feet we have no idea what's um you

953
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,200
know down

954
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,280
in the mariana trench or anywhere else

955
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:25,760
uh in the ocean very little exploration

956
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,400
of the ocean so i and a lot of people

957
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,320
have reported over the years of seeing

958
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:33,040
things objects in and

959
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:34,960
from way back too people have talked

960
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:37,040
about things coming out of the ocean

961
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,079
so

962
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,240
um

963
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,560
people have suggested that

964
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,400
we may have a presence here on earth

965
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:46,240
hiding in the oceans

966
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,839
um i think it would be awful miserable

967
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,520
to be down there because

968
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,599
you know there's really nothing to see

969
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,920
it's all dark once you get down below so

970
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,040
many feet

971
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:57,359
um so but uh that's that would be a

972
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:58,960
really good place to hide considering

973
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:02,160
you know we're 70 some odd percent ocean

974
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:03,200
um

975
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,680
i'm sure i'm sorry i'm just sharing my

976
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:09,839
uh screen with you here real quick

977
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,800
oh okay sure i wanted to uh get your

978
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,640
take on something

979
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:15,920
um

980
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,240
so you uh famously at least in our eyes

981
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,480
not that many other people know about it

982
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,000
uh debunked

983
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,800
a ufo sighting that uh bob and i had in

984
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:29,280
in the backyard of the basement hangout

985
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,040
that's right that's true

986
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:33,520
and we were in awe i don't consider

987
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:36,560
myself a debunker but yeah okay yeah you

988
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,200
pointed out that uh we saw we saw a

989
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,119
light traveling it was obviously not a

990
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,079
plane it was far off in the distance

991
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,760
and it was moving in one direction and

992
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,240
then it just disappeared and we were

993
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,160
certain that we had just witnessed the

994
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,240
first ufo incident

995
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,560
and you explained to us that satellites

996
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,320
do that as the

997
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,320
reflection of the sun

998
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,320
uh goes behind the earth

999
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:02,480
and we were very disappointed

1000
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:03,920
but um

1001
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,480
so i wanted to get your take on this

1002
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:08,960
so we were at me and my family were at

1003
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:11,119
virginia beach and we were on the ferris

1004
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,320
wheel

1005
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,440
and my son was taking he's uh 12 years

1006
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:17,760
old he's got an iphone and he was taking

1007
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:19,040
pictures of

1008
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,400
the city

1009
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,320
uh at the when we were at the peak of

1010
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:25,280
the ferris wheel as we went around

1011
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,320
and

1012
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,480
he didn't see any of this that you see

1013
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,720
up here while we were taking pictures

1014
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,240
and i didn't see it either

1015
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:34,240
i wasn't looking up there to be honest

1016
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:36,800
the next day he goes daddy daddy

1017
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,200
uh check out the picture i took last

1018
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,280
night there's these strange lights in

1019
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:43,920
the sky that i didn't see

1020
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:46,000
while we were there

1021
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:46,800
and

1022
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,520
if i zoom in on it so i did think maybe

1023
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,119
this could be

1024
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,520
the uh starlink satellites but those are

1025
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,599
in a row my understanding yeah those are

1026
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:58,000
very very much in line with each other

1027
00:38:02,230 --> 00:37:59,440
yeah so

1028
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,240
and virginia beach does have a navy base

1029
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,800
nearby where they're always doing uh you

1030
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:06,400
know you can just be on the beach and

1031
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,359
watch

1032
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,359
the uh fighter jets flying back and

1033
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,760
forth yeah every day but this is not a

1034
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:13,040
formation

1035
00:38:16,829 --> 00:38:14,400
of

1036
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:16,839
fighter jets right because this is

1037
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,079
very random so what in the world is that

1038
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:22,160
zoom in more when you zoom in more what

1039
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,040
do you

1040
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,119
it just kind of fades

1041
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:27,359
gets blurry yeah unfortunately you know

1042
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,960
with an iphone camera you can only get

1043
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,960
so much but uh you can still see the

1044
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:33,359
dots there

1045
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,240
yeah i really have no idea i don't know

1046
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:39,040
uh what to tell you on that because

1047
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:40,880
a lot of times you can say well you know

1048
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:43,440
it could be insects some birds fly at

1049
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,240
night

1050
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:46,480
uh reflecting the the city lights and

1051
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:48,160
stuff like that but i have

1052
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,520
i have no idea um it's if they're you

1053
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,000
know for the person listening to audio

1054
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,160
uh you may want to put this in the show

1055
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,000
notes or whatever if you do that at that

1056
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:00,960
time yeah we will absolutely yeah but

1057
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,680
yeah it's uh very interesting and you

1058
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,599
know a lot of things are caught when

1059
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:07,359
people absolutely have no idea what

1060
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:10,160
they're they're shooting yeah um a lot

1061
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:11,520
of times they can be

1062
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:14,079
uh you know it has to do with the camera

1063
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:15,760
uh with the lenses

1064
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,560
sometimes you'll get if you can take

1065
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,400
that pattern of lights

1066
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,119
and go down to the city and see if you

1067
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,359
can find make that pattern of lights

1068
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:27,680
overlap with anything down below

1069
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,079
sometimes what happens is the camera

1070
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,320
will make this effect where it'll show

1071
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,560
the lights that are on the ground um up

1072
00:39:37,210 --> 00:39:36,800
in the sky that has happened in a lot of

1073
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:37,220
history

1074
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,400
[Music]

1075
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,640
with people taking pictures of it sounds

1076
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,760
like we need a basement hanging out

1077
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:43,280
field trip to virginia beach and it's

1078
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:46,720
not debunked that's good news

1079
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:51,270
it is real

1080
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:52,400
martin

1081
00:39:59,080 --> 00:39:56,320
this is still unidentified yes correct

1082
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,090
yeah no i am identifying it as aliens

1083
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,920
[Laughter]

1084
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,599
i get it yeah

1085
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:05,760
um no thanks for showing that to me

1086
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:08,079
uh yeah maybe you can send that picture

1087
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:09,440
to me too and

1088
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:11,119
i'll look at it really closely and see

1089
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,119
if i can figure out anything i will but

1090
00:40:15,860 --> 00:40:14,640
at first i need to add a copyright

1091
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:15,870
notice on it

1092
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,319
[Laughter]

1093
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:19,839
so do you have a lot of people reach out

1094
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,960
to you with

1095
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:23,040
uh pictures or

1096
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:24,400
evidence yes

1097
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,200
yes i have on my website on my website

1098
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:29,599
i'll throw it out there podcast ufo.com

1099
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,720
i also have

1100
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:33,280
on that site where people can

1101
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,560
anonymously post their ufo sighting and

1102
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,200
i have the google uh captcha on that

1103
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:41,520
where you have to you know click

1104
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,359
how many boxes you see buses in and

1105
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,359
stuff like that yeah but the robots have

1106
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,040
figured out how to get around that

1107
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,440
really i had russian

1108
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:51,520
russian porn on there

1109
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:53,599
posting like 50 of them the other day

1110
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,200
when i woke up vladimir putin

1111
00:41:03,190 --> 00:40:59,760
so um i i have to take that i have to

1112
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:03,200
take that post um site down but also if

1113
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,079
someone i did if anyone wants to you

1114
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:08,880
know contact me an anonymous anonymously

1115
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,760
post

1116
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:11,760
all they have to do is go to my contact

1117
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:12,640
form

1118
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,000
and so um i do have people reach out to

1119
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:17,920
me all the time and when i can figure

1120
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:20,720
something out quickly i tell them

1121
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,720
and sometimes i never hear back

1122
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,960
sometimes people are very unhappy about

1123
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,880
it if i can figure it out

1124
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:28,640
um then

1125
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:30,800
if it looks really really good like

1126
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:32,640
something recently looked really really

1127
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:36,000
good to me um to the point where i said

1128
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:38,480
i would come down there and i'd like to

1129
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,599
see these things i guess they're

1130
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,119
happening all the time i'd like to see

1131
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,280
them live and already they have a film

1132
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,560
crew from some tv shows showing up there

1133
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,040
oh wow so that's that

1134
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,359
opportunity is gone but for the most

1135
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,680
part um there is there are some

1136
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:55,680
interesting things sent to me but

1137
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,760
usually it can be explained and when i

1138
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,000
can't figure it out myself i send it

1139
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,960
along to my good friend mark d'antonio

1140
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:04,880
who is an astronomer but he's also a

1141
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,160
video and photo analyst for mufon

1142
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,400
so i sent it along to him and sometimes

1143
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,560
right away he'll figure it out

1144
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:15,040
and sometimes i don't hear back from him

1145
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,560
like for instance the last one i was

1146
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,720
just talking about he never got back to

1147
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:20,240
me i keep saying mark well what do you

1148
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:23,839
think and so um because he says that he

1149
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,839
has been able to explain just about

1150
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,599
everything he's ever seen

1151
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,280
except for a few

1152
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,520
so so he's the one starting his ntv show

1153
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:34,000
that means that one is real

1154
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,440
yeah it could very well there's

1155
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:36,960
something going on i mean it's really

1156
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:39,280
incredible it's um

1157
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,599
it's a triangle and you know moving in

1158
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:43,440
formation and

1159
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:45,200
you know looks looks pretty darn good to

1160
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:46,079
me

1161
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,079
and no sound

1162
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,880
um and reoccurring he said

1163
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,040
reoccurring this is a funny thing that

1164
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,440
happens it was always a big question

1165
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:57,760
mark if you ask me

1166
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:00,079
why does something happen over and over

1167
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,800
and over again in the same location

1168
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,720
you know why is it a hot spot in this

1169
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,400
and the same thing happening over and

1170
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:09,119
over again uh wouldn't they want to like

1171
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,800
if they're here from wherever they're at

1172
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,560
wouldn't they want to you know explore

1173
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:14,560
around a little bit check out the grand

1174
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,240
canyon all that

1175
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,480
you know why just show up in a

1176
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,440
pennsylvania corn field and

1177
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,040
over and over and over again it's a

1178
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,960
history class speaking of that how do

1179
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,640
you feel about the whole skinwalker

1180
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,720
ranch deal

1181
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,560
well i've i've had

1182
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:32,880
the people on from that show on a number

1183
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,599
of times and uh i think it's

1184
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:38,079
a very interesting

1185
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:41,359
area i'm not 100 sure if i could tell

1186
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:42,400
you

1187
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,280
um when it comes to

1188
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:47,440
all the things that are happening there

1189
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,480
um

1190
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,560
if all of them if some of them might be

1191
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,160
embellished a little bit

1192
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,640
i do believe that that's a possibility

1193
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:56,720
they have travis taylor who's been on a

1194
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:57,920
couple of times

1195
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:01,200
dr travis taylor he has two phds

1196
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,160
um

1197
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:04,720
he's very good for

1198
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:08,000
tv he really is very enthusiastic he

1199
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,000
kind of explains things half explains

1200
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:12,880
them but i have a good friend that is a

1201
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:14,079
scientist

1202
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,079
and he's he has a real beef with him

1203
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:17,760
he's saying that's not real science this

1204
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,480
is

1205
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,400
that that uh you know piece of

1206
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,000
equipment's not used for that why are

1207
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:26,230
so it's uh

1208
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,040
so

1209
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,040
but you know things have definitely

1210
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,119
happened there why there

1211
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:33,680
i have no idea sometimes i wonder if it

1212
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,720
might have to do with something

1213
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,160
in the ground or something like a

1214
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:39,839
magnetic field

1215
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,319
yeah uh

1216
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:43,680
say

1217
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,560
there's

1218
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:46,319
where things happen like the brown

1219
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:47,440
lights

1220
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,920
that mountain is half copper

1221
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,240
um and it seems like there there may be

1222
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:56,079
some minerals and things in certain

1223
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,440
places that

1224
00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:59,440
may draw something

1225
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:02,400
to it somehow and sometimes explainable

1226
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,680
this has has it has led in

1227
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:06,720
lights

1228
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,520
and

1229
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:09,440
uh what am i trying to think is this

1230
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,720
sweden

1231
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:12,640
somewhere over there

1232
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:16,160
um in scandinavia there's the hazelden

1233
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,200
lights

1234
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:19,920
and that's another fascinating

1235
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,200
uh

1236
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,119
anomaly that happens and it may have to

1237
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:25,920
do it's been seen for over 100 years

1238
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,880
and may have to do with some type of

1239
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:31,119
geological type of so there's another

1240
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:32,319
there's a whole way of thinking that

1241
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,079
says that um

1242
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,079
you're familiar with the uh the

1243
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,960
disappearance issues in um

1244
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,240
[Music]

1245
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,920
people go hiking and stuff and then they

1246
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:43,680
just disappear what's that guy's name

1247
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,390
yeah missing 401 and then sasquatch and

1248
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,240
all that stuff there's a way of thinking

1249
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,760
that says that a lot of that stuff seems

1250
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:55,599
to happen where there's large granite

1251
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:57,440
deposits right

1252
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,640
how about that

1253
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:00,720
which is

1254
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,560
yeah he's a very interesting guy um

1255
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,880
and he's done really really good work on

1256
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:08,720
that subject

1257
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:11,760
and it really is amazing how many people

1258
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,359
just vanish yeah and

1259
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,680
and you never heard from again well the

1260
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,160
most fascinating part about it is that a

1261
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:22,560
child for example will disappear or or

1262
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,920
an adult

1263
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:25,520
and the

1264
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:29,760
scour the entire area you know 100

1265
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,079
square miles helicopters everything they

1266
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,920
won't find anybody

1267
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:34,960
they'll be

1268
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:37,920
basically written off as as gone

1269
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,079
and then a month later they'll find the

1270
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,640
body in the same spot it disappeared

1271
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,800
which they searched you know hundreds of

1272
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,400
times

1273
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:48,400
uh that happens a lot

1274
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:52,319
which is really kind of scary yeah

1275
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,200
you know

1276
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,440
so yeah that whole that whole thing is

1277
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,440
is kind of scary to me and then we start

1278
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,760
getting into the discussion of you know

1279
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:01,680
dimensions

1280
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,800
yes

1281
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,480
that's another thing that

1282
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,520
you know ufos could be from another

1283
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,280
dimension right it isn't

1284
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:11,040
there could be inter-dimensional

1285
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,079
traveling that could be um what ghosts

1286
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:16,880
are you know they could be

1287
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:19,359
um part of that and i i actually had

1288
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:20,960
like a poltergeist

1289
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,440
type of situation in the uh i'm in the

1290
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,680
antiques and auction business

1291
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,000
and i was at a property where some

1292
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:30,480
crazy things really happened to me and i

1293
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,359
saw

1294
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:33,599
with my own eyes that things that were

1295
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:34,960
unexplainable

1296
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,880
and there has to be some type of

1297
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,720
explanation but i have no idea what it

1298
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:40,400
was oh tell us about that what did you

1299
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:41,839
see

1300
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,000
me and these things

1301
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,559
they really did happen to me

1302
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,119
so and it isn't i think it's interesting

1303
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,119
okay so i'm cleaning out a house it was

1304
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,119
a real slow time of year in the auction

1305
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:57,440
business and i'm cleaning out a house in

1306
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,000
portsmouth new hampshire and it was from

1307
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:02,800
the 1940s i think or 30s it was not like

1308
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,520
a real early house or anything like that

1309
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,839
and i had already taken all the antiques

1310
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:10,160
out of it and the lawyer said hey look

1311
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:11,760
is there any way you can go in and you

1312
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:13,440
know do a sweep down and get it ready to

1313
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:15,040
sell you know throw get rid of

1314
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,079
everything

1315
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:18,079
so i said sure you know slow time of

1316
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:21,680
year it was it was uh winter but

1317
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,960
um it was a nice day in in the winter

1318
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:26,720
time and so

1319
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:29,359
there was no wind or anything and

1320
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,800
so i'm working away and i sweep up the

1321
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,040
upper

1322
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:36,960
floor you know the hallway

1323
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,040
and i slide the broom down because

1324
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,640
everything has to go out so i slide the

1325
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:42,800
room down the staircase and across from

1326
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,040
the staircase is the main door and i had

1327
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:47,440
that wide open all the way back

1328
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:50,319
so um i'm up stairs in one of the

1329
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,440
bedrooms

1330
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,480
and i pull open a closet door and i

1331
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,640
could barely get it open because they

1332
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,400
put in a carpet and they never cut the

1333
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,160
bottom side of the door

1334
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,720
so the door you had to drag it

1335
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,720
by the carpet to open it

1336
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:06,480
and there was not much in there some

1337
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,760
clothes i tossed into a garbage bag and

1338
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,760
clothes hangers things like that

1339
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,440
so i walk out to the hallway and all of

1340
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:15,440
a sudden that door slams

1341
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:18,160
i mean it's slammed hard

1342
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,240
i go and i look and the all the windows

1343
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,640
are down the storm windows are down

1344
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:24,640
and there's there's no

1345
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:26,960
force that could have done that

1346
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:29,599
so then i just to test it i try to open

1347
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:31,280
the door a closet door again and it's

1348
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,119
really hard to open

1349
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,040
and so there's nothing physically that

1350
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:36,960
could have done it so

1351
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:39,839
um all of a sudden the front door slams

1352
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,839
again there's no wind that day

1353
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:43,680
i walk down the stairs and the broom is

1354
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,240
leaning up against it

1355
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:48,640
so the door slam front door slams that's

1356
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,839
leaning up against it so i go outside

1357
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:53,440
there's no way and the guy that i had

1358
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,000
helping me that day he took the truck

1359
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:58,720
and trailer off to the landfill

1360
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:01,440
and he came back and he said why aren't

1361
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:03,920
you working you know finishing you know

1362
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,599
and i'm the boss but he always sees me

1363
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,839
so uh i said

1364
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:09,599
i'm not going in that house that house

1365
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:11,040
is haunted

1366
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,559
i got a couple things in there i need

1367
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:14,559
you to come in with me so we're in there

1368
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,839
and he's going

1369
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,240
you know he's teasing the heck out of me

1370
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:20,559
so we're cleaning out the garage is the

1371
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,680
last thing

1372
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:23,200
and he

1373
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:24,640
he takes off there's just a couple

1374
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,800
things left he takes off

1375
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,079
and um

1376
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:30,240
so i said goodbye to him and but right

1377
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,839
before he left he turns and he said oh

1378
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:33,760
that basket in the middle the floor i

1379
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:35,599
see those baskets all the time it's one

1380
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,800
with a great big

1381
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:38,960
wicker basket of the big loop he sees

1382
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:40,240
them all the time because he worked at a

1383
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:42,160
funeral parlor and he says they're

1384
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,839
always in you know flower arrangements

1385
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,520
during those all the time you know at

1386
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,880
the funeral power

1387
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,240
so um

1388
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:50,240
i clean everything out

1389
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,720
and it's all in the back of my truck

1390
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,720
and then the basket is the last thing so

1391
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:56,480
i go over to the basket

1392
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,240
and i reach down to it

1393
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:59,920
by the big handle

1394
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:01,520
and it's stuck

1395
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,480
so i pull on it and i pull on it stuck

1396
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:06,160
so hard that it breaks in half and the

1397
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:08,960
bottom stuck on the ground so i toss it

1398
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:10,160
in the truck and then all of a sudden i

1399
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,160
got this feeling i go oh no

1400
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,880
so i went back and i tapped the base

1401
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,400
that stayed on the ground with my foot

1402
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:18,319
and there was nothing holding it there

1403
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:19,920
oh wow that's

1404
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:22,640
it just like slid right across the floor

1405
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,760
wow

1406
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,680
so that's what happened to me and it

1407
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,359
really did happen i would take any type

1408
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:29,359
of lie detector test or anything i would

1409
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,160
even

1410
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:32,960
um you know risk all the money i have in

1411
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,960
the world if i'm wrong because it really

1412
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,280
did happen i can't explain it's nothing

1413
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,520
you know like i didn't see anything

1414
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:41,440
uh but i didn't see any being or

1415
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,200
anything but something

1416
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,760
did those things there is some type of

1417
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:47,280
answer for it and i don't know what the

1418
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,119
answer is yeah for sure so my wife

1419
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:53,359
was we were visiting her parents house

1420
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,800
my in-laws

1421
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,119
and um her

1422
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,079
dad worked at a church

1423
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:02,480
and the church would give away donations

1424
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:05,119
and stuff to people who needed it and

1425
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,400
then every once in a while they'd have

1426
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,240
leftover stuff that nobody was getting

1427
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,400
or nobody was claiming so he comes home

1428
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:12,880
one day with a suitcase a nice

1429
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:15,280
suitcase that he thought they could use

1430
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:16,800
and my mother-in-law who's very

1431
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,839
superstitious they're from south america

1432
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:21,440
she's very superstitious about that kind

1433
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,040
of thing and she said

1434
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,440
get that thing out of here we do not you

1435
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,839
know take other people's

1436
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,680
luggage there's a certain energy that

1437
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:31,599
comes with it that we don't want to have

1438
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:33,200
here

1439
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,359
so my wife and my mother-in-law are in

1440
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:37,520
the kitchen and it has one of these

1441
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:40,400
windows that overlooks the family room

1442
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:42,240
and so they see out of the corner of

1443
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:43,440
their eye they're talking they're doing

1444
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,280
dishes they see

1445
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,520
my father-in-law pick the suitcase up

1446
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,200
and walk out

1447
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:51,200
through the back door the glass sliding

1448
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:53,839
door to take it out to the shed

1449
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:55,359
and they think nothing of it whatever

1450
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,480
whatever

1451
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:58,880
and then five minutes later

1452
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:02,160
my father-in-law comes from upstairs

1453
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:04,319
walks into the kitchen and he's like hey

1454
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:06,079
what's up and they say

1455
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:08,559
didn't we just see you walk outside

1456
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,640
and he says what are you talking about i

1457
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:12,880
was upstairs and then they look out and

1458
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:15,440
the luggage is still sitting there

1459
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:18,480
it had actually hadn't moved now both my

1460
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:21,680
mother-in-law and my wife saw this

1461
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:23,920
together and so they were freaked out so

1462
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,359
my wife came home and told me this story

1463
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:29,280
and of course me being me i'm like yeah

1464
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,440
you guys probably were you know just

1465
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:33,440
imagining or whatever you saw something

1466
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:35,040
out of the corner your eye

1467
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:37,359
at that moment i had a piece of luggage

1468
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,920
in my closet in my house

1469
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:42,240
that had been sitting there for years

1470
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:44,079
that i had never used

1471
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,680
we heard a bang

1472
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:47,359
something hit the floor i go in my

1473
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:48,960
closet and look and that piece of

1474
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:51,440
luggage fell off

1475
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:52,800
the closet

1476
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:56,720
top portion whatever and hit the ground

1477
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,160
you you officially just gave me

1478
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:00,240
goosebumps

1479
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,000
and was that a used luggage or was yours

1480
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:04,079
brand new no mine was mine i'd owned it

1481
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,119
always

1482
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:07,599
but it was like something was saying

1483
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:09,119
you don't believe me

1484
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:11,440
you know here it is and that thing that

1485
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:13,520
had been so either it was a massive

1486
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,800
coincidence

1487
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:16,160
that that thing had been sitting there

1488
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:17,920
for over a year

1489
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,960
yes and just now decided to fall right

1490
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,880
so those are the unexplainable things

1491
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:24,559
you just walk away from going well

1492
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,000
whatever because what are you going to

1493
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,559
do you know call the

1494
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:30,559
priest to come and you know

1495
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,079
bless your house

1496
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,240
so in the antique business though did

1497
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:36,400
you hear stories like that where someone

1498
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:38,000
thought yeah must have gone across that

1499
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:39,440
stuff a lot

1500
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:41,200
yeah there was um you know there was

1501
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,079
another situation where i was in a house

1502
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,079
uh getting it ready for an auction you

1503
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:48,880
know on location giving all the antiques

1504
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:51,280
all ready to do an on-site auction

1505
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:53,040
and um

1506
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,160
i got up

1507
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,119
from the couch for a second to do i was

1508
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:59,119
like cataloging or something got up from

1509
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:00,720
the couch for a second

1510
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,720
and i saw this

1511
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:04,720
woman like in a

1512
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:07,359
briefly for just an instant like in a

1513
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:10,160
black dress with a black hat just for a

1514
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,319
fraction of a second gone

1515
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:14,480
so i got up the courage to ask the

1516
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:15,920
family

1517
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:19,040
i said uh has anyone ever talked about

1518
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:21,839
strange things happening she goes do you

1519
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,950
so i had to stay overnight that night at

1520
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,640
that property to make sure no one took

1521
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:32,400
any of the stuff because it was outside

1522
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:35,839
under a tent i slept

1523
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:37,680
not

1524
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:42,400
awake i was scared to death

1525
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,720
so i never saw her i'm glad she didn't

1526
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,240
crawl in my sleep

1527
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,319
yeah and what what does make something

1528
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:50,799
antique 25 years old or is it more

1529
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:54,720
no um well in america uh american you go

1530
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:57,040
by the insurance rules in america it's

1531
00:56:01,510 --> 00:56:00,000
100 years in england it's 200 years

1532
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:01,520
wow

1533
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,079
but 100 years you know i mean when i was

1534
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,480
a kid in the business i remember saying

1535
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:08,880
oh these you know here's the 1920s such

1536
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,079
and such and people are calling it

1537
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:13,200
antique well now it isn't in no it is

1538
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,640
so for some reason we have a lot of

1539
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,119
antique shops near where we live and

1540
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:19,200
we've we've i've never really gone in

1541
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:21,200
but somehow they all stay in business it

1542
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:22,799
always like shocks

1543
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,480
uh people when they visit they're like

1544
00:56:28,829 --> 00:56:26,079
how did the you know there's say there's

1545
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:28,839
six antique shops shops in our downtown

1546
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:31,760
area um so are they antique shops or

1547
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,760
thrift shops i don't know you tell me

1548
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,440
man i think they're thrift shops when

1549
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,440
they have antiques in there that uh

1550
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:39,839
somebody also antiques yeah well here's

1551
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:40,720
the thing

1552
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:43,359
the antique shops do really well when

1553
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:44,720
there's a whole bunch of them in one

1554
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:47,760
area okay so if you have six antique

1555
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:49,520
shops in a downtown

1556
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:51,839
they they they're all glad they're all

1557
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:54,000
there because people love to go and they

1558
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:55,920
go from one shop to the next to the next

1559
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,559
to the next so um they only help each

1560
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:01,200
other when they're in one spot like that

1561
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:02,480
would they make a bunch of money off

1562
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,799
like one item to stay in business or is

1563
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:06,000
it they have to sell a bunch of stuff

1564
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:07,599
quickly or what

1565
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,359
well there's a saying that everybody

1566
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:11,040
makes a little bit of money or nobody

1567
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:12,400
makes any money in other words if you

1568
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:14,480
price something too high it won't sell

1569
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:17,280
so you you know you usually buy and flip

1570
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,799
it by and flip you know that type of

1571
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:20,640
thing you know and that's a whole

1572
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:22,319
different topic but i could give you

1573
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:23,200
some

1574
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,799
just wondering

1575
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:26,559
situations that have happened that i've

1576
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,839
seen in the business that are just crazy

1577
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:31,920
um you know a woman that had a

1578
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:33,920
a painting in her attic for years her

1579
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:36,720
porch was falling off of her house she

1580
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:39,599
had no money she was on food stamps and

1581
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,119
she had a million dollar painting in her

1582
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,680
attic she never knew it until uh my

1583
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,680
friend discovered it and sold it for her

1584
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,599
and she's sitting in the audience of the

1585
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,599
auction crying when the thing hits over

1586
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,040
wow

1587
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:53,040
that's crazy there's a lot of really

1588
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,960
exciting stories like that and what i do

1589
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:56,960
so it's a lot of fun that is that does

1590
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:58,160
sound like fun it's like the antique

1591
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,520
road show

1592
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,760
yeah yeah i know i know so many people

1593
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,079
on the antiques roadshow

1594
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,960
yeah and um yeah i'm friends with one by

1595
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:08,960
the way that had one of the most amazing

1596
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,680
ufo sightings oh wow do we

1597
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,440
can i tell you that story yes please

1598
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:15,200
please okay

1599
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:16,960
so my friend i'm going to say who he is

1600
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:19,920
because he just he just got um

1601
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,799
he was the asian expert jim callahan on

1602
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:24,480
on the antiques road show for years he

1603
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:25,680
was a big guy

1604
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:27,760
big guy that looked like uh

1605
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:29,760
brimley whatever the guy's name is

1606
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:32,160
wilfred wilford brimley yeah yeah yeah

1607
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:34,960
he looks a lot like him so if you go

1608
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:37,440
and search james callahan you'll see and

1609
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:39,040
i don't care he can get mad at me for

1610
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,440
telling the story

1611
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:43,760
so he's uh he's at amherst college he's

1612
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:45,839
in the tower so the towers are

1613
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:48,160
um 20 some odd stories high he's in the

1614
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:51,520
17th floor with his four buddies and i

1615
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:52,640
don't know they're playing cards or

1616
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:53,599
something like that and they were

1617
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,880
drinking he said not gonna say we

1618
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,720
weren't drinking but he says all of a

1619
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:59,040
sudden he sees this they someone sees

1620
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:00,880
this and the window

1621
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:02,319
just you know

1622
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:03,599
some movement

1623
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:04,640
and

1624
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:08,720
box-like craft it's shaped like a

1625
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,200
rectangular box with lights on each

1626
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,200
corner and in the middle they're all

1627
00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:15,839
like flashing in sequence and it's just

1628
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:19,119
floating on around the 17th floor

1629
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:20,880
not making any noise that they can hear

1630
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:23,119
or anything not moving just stay staying

1631
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:24,240
there

1632
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:25,839
and all of a sudden they see it shoot

1633
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:26,640
off

1634
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:29,920
toward the mountains and at that time

1635
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:32,799
all of a sudden they see a a fighter jet

1636
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:36,000
with its afterburner chasing after it

1637
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,079
so it gets it all of a sudden it bursts

1638
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,559
into five lights

1639
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:42,240
and then the five lights are flashing

1640
00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:44,240
back and forth to each other

1641
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:45,920
and then it shoots off and the the

1642
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:47,520
fighter jet gives up and turns around

1643
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:48,880
and goes back

1644
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:51,440
that's his ufo sighting so i said my god

1645
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,319
jim

1646
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:54,559
i said unbelievable well now you know

1647
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:56,079
how has that changed your life and he

1648
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:58,960
said to me can i swear on this yes

1649
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:00,799
okay well it's not really bad it's weird

1650
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,670
so he does it i said so you don't care

1651
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:09,680
that you possibly saw something from

1652
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:11,680
another planet or anything i could care

1653
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:14,799
less we're all gonna die anyway

1654
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:17,520
screw those aliens yeah yeah

1655
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:19,920
yeah so anyway i thought that was quite

1656
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,640
the story and and just the fact that you

1657
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,720
know it affects everyone differently and

1658
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,319
that's a pretty good case to show that

1659
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,040
right there time someone sees something

1660
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,280
it either profoundly change their lives

1661
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:33,520
or they just move on and okay i have to

1662
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:35,200
pay the bills and that's what i'm more

1663
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:37,040
interested in yeah i mean even for

1664
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:38,960
people who who if they see if they have

1665
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:41,040
one massive sighting and it profoundly

1666
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:43,680
changed their lives but for what because

1667
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:45,119
there's no that you can't do anything

1668
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:47,280
about it right you can't the only thing

1669
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:48,880
that you can do about it is do what i

1670
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:49,680
did

1671
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:51,040
well yes

1672
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:53,040
there's not enough podcasts out there we

1673
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:56,640
need more podcasts yeah intrigues

1674
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,720
every tom dick and harry has a podcast

1675
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,880
yours is doing very well so

1676
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:02,000
congratulations

1677
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:03,680
there's a lot of young people doing

1678
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:05,760
podcasts on ufos now which i think is

1679
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:08,319
great that's interesting

1680
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:10,720
um you know as long as you know they

1681
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:14,079
really look into the topics i watched a

1682
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:16,160
uh documentary the other day where they

1683
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,920
had all these newbies

1684
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:19,599
and they got a lot of stuff wrong but

1685
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:21,119
that's that's still okay at least

1686
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:22,880
they're you know fascinated by the topic

1687
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:26,950
so martin i want to thank you very much

1688
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:29,280
for coming on yet again

1689
01:01:34,910 --> 01:01:31,760
i want to tell all of the people to go

1690
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:34,920
to podcast ufo.com

1691
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:37,200
podcastufo.com let me see that clearly

1692
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,559
yeah you said it very fast yeah it was

1693
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:40,799
very strange like an auctioneer and then

1694
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:43,200
t correction yeah you rubbed off on me

1695
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:45,520
there martin yeah that's right yeah and

1696
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:47,520
uh just go into your podcast player and

1697
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:50,319
search for podcast ufo and actually

1698
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:51,599
i'll go out on a limb and say if you

1699
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:54,640
just search ufo podcast ufo is going to

1700
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:57,119
come up yes it will because it is as i

1701
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:59,119
mentioned the first time you came on

1702
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:01,599
kind of the gold standard for ufo shows

1703
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:04,160
so congratulations on that martin well

1704
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:05,280
thank you

1705
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:07,839
and uh what was the name of the guy that

1706
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:10,319
you mentioned that uh we would love to

1707
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:11,680
have him on the show what was his name

1708
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:14,000
again yes his name is mac maloney he

1709
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:16,000
does a radio show the same night that i

1710
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:17,200
do my show

1711
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:20,240
and it's called military x-files and

1712
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:22,640
he's a real character he's really funny

1713
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:24,960
and he's really smart and he's an author

1714
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:27,280
of dozens and dozens of books a lot of

1715
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:28,880
them fictional but he has done some

1716
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:30,880
books on ufos as well

1717
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:32,640
and he said boy was that a lot of work

1718
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,880
to do the research and get things right

1719
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:37,200
awesome so yeah send me his contact info

1720
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:38,559
and as you know

1721
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:41,839
we do words of wisdom always

1722
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:44,079
you're up

1723
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:46,079
oh i'm supposed to say i forgot about

1724
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:48,400
that well i don't we like to surprise

1725
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,680
our guests

1726
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:51,599
yeah just throw me a reminder what are

1727
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:53,599
you words of wisdom it could be anything

1728
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:56,880
you want anything like uh yeah there's a

1729
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:59,680
there's uh you know what you would tell

1730
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:01,119
your son when you may see him for the

1731
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:02,880
last time or there's a sale at the local

1732
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:05,119
grocery store or whatever anything

1733
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:06,400
what should we look for in an antique

1734
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:07,599
shop whatever you can think of yeah

1735
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:10,640
that's good yeah there you go

1736
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:15,910
you think you're going to watch the

1737
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:18,480
antiques roadshow see something on there

1738
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:21,039
that sold for 25 000. don't think you're

1739
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:23,200
gonna find one okay that's the best

1740
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,440
advice i can give you so it's super rare

1741
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:27,280
people do make mistakes all the time

1742
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,480
because something will look like

1743
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:31,200
something else so

1744
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:34,319
you know you have to really trust people

1745
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:36,160
that know what they're looking at

1746
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:37,760
there's a lot of fake

1747
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,440
okay bob your words of wisdom mine is

1748
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,680
more general for you know

1749
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:43,200
all of you listening

1750
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:45,039
yesterday is history tomorrow is a

1751
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:46,880
mystery today is a gift that is why it

1752
01:03:49,829 --> 01:03:48,880
is called a present i'm sorry the

1753
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:49,839
present

1754
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:52,079
wow yes deep

1755
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:54,319
i'm glad you googled your words of

1756
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:57,039
wisdom no i actually it was actually on

1757
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:58,559
kung fu panda

1758
01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:01,280
one or two but it sounds very nice it's

1759
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:03,599
very deep man okay i like that

1760
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:06,079
my words of wisdom are even more general

1761
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:07,920
and unuseful

1762
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:10,640
uh if you're gonna cook wings in uh a

1763
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:12,480
smoker

1764
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:14,880
cooked them at 300 degrees for 20

1765
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:17,520
minutes bob 20. so super short 20

1766
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:18,799
minutes

1767
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:22,480
then raise the temperature to 450

1768
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:24,640
and hit them for seven and a half

1769
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:25,760
minutes

1770
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:27,520
then pull them out and immediately sauce

1771
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:30,000
them so 27 and a half minutes yes those

1772
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:31,680
are the best wings ever we're going to

1773
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:34,319
test it tonight starting right now

1774
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:35,680
perfect wow

1775
01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:37,280
well can i just have one more words of

1776
01:04:42,309 --> 01:04:39,680
wisdom yes please please

1777
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:42,319
keep your eyes to the sky and your

1778
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:44,160
curiosity high

1779
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:45,440
very nice

1780
01:04:51,660 --> 01:04:48,160
not enough people look up i like that

1781
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:51,670
yeah basement hangout out

1782
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:04,190
hmm

1783
01:06:03,829 --> 01:05:21,670
[Music]

1784
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:08,790
hmm

1785
01:06:27,570 --> 01:06:15,790
[Music]

1786
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:27,580
oh

1787
01:06:38,510 --> 01:06:35,520
[Music]

1788
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:38,520
hmm

1789
01:07:08,800 --> 01:06:56,630
[Music]

1790
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:08,810
hmm